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I personally believed that the whole state of Israel was a mistake and it's one of the reasons why their so many wacko Muslims blowing stuff up. But boycotting scholars is kind of silly thing to do.

Joshua

Geras writes:

"This editorial in Haaretz rightly identifies the thinking of the would-be boycotters as impelled by a desire to de-legitimize Israel - identifies it with 'the position that the very birth of the Jewish state was a mistake'."

In this, Geras is quite correct and the delegitimization of Israel isn't only confined to the semi-literate like "Random Guy" above. This from a piece in the Guardian by a lecturer in the department of government at the LSE:

"Israel is a state founded on discrimination. Israel privileges Zionist-Jews, and subordinates and dispossesses Palestinians and Arabs."

http://tinyurl.com/3832jv

Joshua

N.B. Joshua used to post here as Pooh.

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"I personally believed that the whole state of Israel was a mistake and it's one of the reasons why their so many wacko Muslims blowing stuff up"

1) Jews have been blamed for virtually every war in modern history. Like Mel Gibson, when an anti-Semite decides to embark on an anti-Semitic tirade such charges are invariably at the top of the list. As Begin once put it: "Gentiles kill gentiles and they come for the Jews."

Before World War II, we Jews were told by you gentiles that we should "go home to Israel". Now we are in Israel, we are told to go home to Europe and America (but never the Arab nations. Strange that, or not).

2) Muslims "blow stuff up" because they are encouraged to do so by their religion. If you want to stop them "blowing stuff up" you should make a start by tackling the evil inherent in much of today's Islam. If people were entitled to "blow stuff up" because of a grievance, real or otherwise, no group would have had more justification than the Jews. And yet, while virtually every nation in Europe either actively and willingly collaborated in the mass-murder of six million Jews and the U.S. and the UK, at the very best, displayed utter insouciance, I am not aware of any Jews blowing themselves up in Amsterdam, Warsaw, Vilnius, Oslo and Budapest.

3) Israel's creation was a direct result of that collaboration mentioned above as well of course as the ethnic cleansing of almost one million Jews by the Arab nations. If you want to complain about Israel then, you should address your complaints to your grandparents, the people who allowed such terrible events to occur.

4) Why do you object to Israel's existence alone? After all, the world nearly faced a nuclear conflagration a few years ago because of the arrogant belligerence of India and Pakistan. Both America and Canada were nations founded as a result of massive ethnic cleansing and genocide and both countries have participated in the most terrible acts over the years: from the nuclear holocaust of Hiroshima to the mass-murder of German civilians at Dresden and from the rape of Vietnam to that illegal invasion of Iraq which has resulted in the deaths of countless thousands of innocent Iraqis. And why should much of Europe have any moral right to exist after the Holocaust?

But that it is Israel's existence alone among the nations of the world that is objected to is also a sign of profound Jew-hatred.

5) Israel is the Jewish homeland. We Jews have a continuous connection to her that is thousands of years old. We have far more right to her than the white man or the yellow man or the black man has to the United States, Canada, Australia or New Zealand or indeed any country in Latin America.

6) To suggest that Israel is a "mistake" is to deligitimise her. To deligitimise her is to call for her destruction and to do that is to incite mass-murder. I think it outrageous that your comment has been allowed to stand here.

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